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I agree wholeheartedly with the first half of what Eric said. Declaring something to be immoral does require being prepared to defend and identify your assumptions about the nature of immorality. However, I would take this statement in the opposite direction that Eric did: the solution to society's inability to call something immoral in the face of moral relativism (which Eric alluded to by saying "ethnocentricism and historical influence") is not to start doubting that things are immoral, but to properly support objective morality.
My answer to "what is most immoral in our society" would be to point out that moral absolutes as a category have been eliminated, leaving only subjective ethics. "What makes me feel good" or "what helps the greatest number of people" are now the adages of morality. Why is pleasure good? Couldn't it not be good? Why is safety and security good? Couldn't it be morally neutral? The abandonment of any basis for calling anything immoral leads to immorality.
What in society do you find immoral?
Chrissy K
Posted: April 19, 2012 at 11:01 pm
The question seems silly; of course there is plenty wrong in society when regarding moral values. For example, I think most of the media in general is flawed in the way they advertise to make money. There is plenty more to criticize, feel free.
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Elaine F
Posted: April 19, 2012 at 11:38 pm
I'm currently working on an English research paper titled "whether fame affects teenage stars more in a positive way or in a negative way", and I have come across with many examples of how media puts pressure of perfection on certain young celebrities. I mean, almost every star faces certain degree of pressure of perfection, where you have people (fans) who look up to you and imitate your way of behaviour, but there are a few of them who have had struggles with this issue. Because the media are constantly putting these young celebs in the spotlight that their personal lives could have been affected and limited, some female celebs have to force themselves to maintain a "beautiful image", which eventually leads to eating disorders. Even worse is that they could fall into the situation where they have to check themselves into rehab for a good long period. I think this is kind of tragic that they rose to fame quickly but maybe the media has put too much stress sometimes, by stripping their privacy or giving them overwhelming amount of focus or attention, that some of the shining stars have unfortunately dimmed their light.
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Katelyn Bauer
Posted: April 20, 2012 at 01:06 am
I would agree with Elaine, I feel that the media, and their portrayal of "beauty" the most immoral part of our society. Through this portrayal, and constant "pressure" which stems therefrom, youth are brought up to believe that they will never be beautiful enough, and must constantly be ashamed with their bodies.
As much confidence-boosting workshops as there are out there, it's almost impossible to counteract the media and the power they, and these projected ideals have over society.
As much confidence-boosting workshops as there are out there, it's almost impossible to counteract the media and the power they, and these projected ideals have over society.
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Molly Dlugaj
Posted: April 20, 2012 at 01:48 am
I have a huge problem with the majority of first world civilizations. People being ruled by the portrayals of media, beauty, and what you should think is important in life. As well as the regard that most people have in terms of "out of sight out of mind" where people are more obsessed with only the things they can see, and themselves, and don't care about anything else in the world. It's not true for everybody, but it holds true for the majority of first world civilizations.
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Eric W
Posted: April 20, 2012 at 01:49 am
I would agree with Elaine, I feel that the media, and their portrayal of "beauty" the most immoral part of our society.
Hmm. Personally I would have said murderers or something, but I suppose that is immoral too. :P
On a philosophical level, what is morality? Outlining something that is immoral requires basic assumptions about morality that cannot be made without a lot of underlying ethnocentrism and historical influence.
Hmm. Personally I would have said murderers or something, but I suppose that is immoral too. :P
On a philosophical level, what is morality? Outlining something that is immoral requires basic assumptions about morality that cannot be made without a lot of underlying ethnocentrism and historical influence.
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Katelyn Bauer
Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:19 am
I agree strongly with you Molly, however I do have to point something out. It is not only first world civilizations which are ruled by these ideas of beauty.
In East Asian countries like Japan and Korea, bigger, wider eyes are seen as more attractive, so women will glue their eyelids together in a type of fold to make their eyes appear bigger, or resort to surgery.
In places like Pakistan and India, women bleach their skin, in the hopes of being seen as more beautiful, and on their wedding day (in Pakistan at least), the bride's face and arms are caked in a white powder in the thought that she will have at least one day of "beauty" in her life. Are these not as shocking as some "first world" ideals?
In East Asian countries like Japan and Korea, bigger, wider eyes are seen as more attractive, so women will glue their eyelids together in a type of fold to make their eyes appear bigger, or resort to surgery.
In places like Pakistan and India, women bleach their skin, in the hopes of being seen as more beautiful, and on their wedding day (in Pakistan at least), the bride's face and arms are caked in a white powder in the thought that she will have at least one day of "beauty" in her life. Are these not as shocking as some "first world" ideals?
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Ben von Bredow
Posted: April 20, 2012 at 12:25 pm
On a philosophical level, what is morality? Outlining something that is immoral requires basic assumptions about morality that cannot be made without a lot of underlying ethnocentrism and historical influence.
I agree wholeheartedly with the first half of what Eric said. Declaring something to be immoral does require being prepared to defend and identify your assumptions about the nature of immorality. However, I would take this statement in the opposite direction that Eric did: the solution to society's inability to call something immoral in the face of moral relativism (which Eric alluded to by saying "ethnocentricism and historical influence") is not to start doubting that things are immoral, but to properly support objective morality.
My answer to "what is most immoral in our society" would be to point out that moral absolutes as a category have been eliminated, leaving only subjective ethics. "What makes me feel good" or "what helps the greatest number of people" are now the adages of morality. Why is pleasure good? Couldn't it not be good? Why is safety and security good? Couldn't it be morally neutral? The abandonment of any basis for calling anything immoral leads to immorality.
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Scott Simpson
Posted: April 20, 2012 at 10:33 pm
For me, selfishness is the most immoral thing out there. We think more on a daily basis of ourselves than we do of others, sorry for the generalization, and considering that there are 7 billion other people to think about, we really should not take that much time. When was the last time you per say thought to ask your mom how her day was and MEAN it? not just expect the "good" and move on (PS: that is rhetorical, please do not waste space on the thread answering that)? If we all looked out for the people around us instead of ourselves, we would be much better of as a society. That is my opinion.
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Molly Dlugaj
Posted: April 21, 2012 at 12:57 am
Of course, Katelyn. But Japan and South Korea are "first world" countries as well. China, India, and Pakistan are second world, but their ideas of beauty can be just as harmful, you are right. I think anywhere, really, that has either a strong influence via the media or a strong cultural influence on what you should do and look like has the potential to be harmful.
That being said I think that has drifted from the topic of what I find "immoral" because I certainly do not find (most) cultural aspects immoral, in fact I find them quite enlightening.
There's a very grey line between immoral and moral, and it all depends on which eyes your viewing it through.
That being said I think that has drifted from the topic of what I find "immoral" because I certainly do not find (most) cultural aspects immoral, in fact I find them quite enlightening.
There's a very grey line between immoral and moral, and it all depends on which eyes your viewing it through.
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Adam Lohonyai
Posted: April 21, 2012 at 03:03 am
The abandonment of any basis for calling anything immoral leads to immorality.
What evidence do you have for this? The countries plagued by the worst of the world's problems today - war, genocide, slavery, oppression of women, high crime rates - are the ones that are most religious. The most secular countries are the ones that have abandoned moral absolutes, and these are the least violent and rate among the best places to live.
The ideas of absolute space and absolute time have long been abandoned by scientists. Even absolute zero temperature and absolute zero pressure don't physically exist, they're just convenient tools. Our understanding of the universe is relativistic. We don't have absolute knowledge, only incrementally more useful untruths. In the same way, a nihilistic or relativistic morality will still progress towards more useful (though imperfect) moral standards.
The things I think are most immoral:
- religious leaders who spread lies about birth control, hindering efforts to control the sub-Saharan AIDS epidemic
- religious leaders who spread lies about vaccinations, hindering efforts to completely eradicate polio
- the following violent acts against women: acid throwing, female circumcision, sex slavery/forced prostitution, breast ironing, and rape
What evidence do you have for this? The countries plagued by the worst of the world's problems today - war, genocide, slavery, oppression of women, high crime rates - are the ones that are most religious. The most secular countries are the ones that have abandoned moral absolutes, and these are the least violent and rate among the best places to live.
The ideas of absolute space and absolute time have long been abandoned by scientists. Even absolute zero temperature and absolute zero pressure don't physically exist, they're just convenient tools. Our understanding of the universe is relativistic. We don't have absolute knowledge, only incrementally more useful untruths. In the same way, a nihilistic or relativistic morality will still progress towards more useful (though imperfect) moral standards.
The things I think are most immoral:
- religious leaders who spread lies about birth control, hindering efforts to control the sub-Saharan AIDS epidemic
- religious leaders who spread lies about vaccinations, hindering efforts to completely eradicate polio
- the following violent acts against women: acid throwing, female circumcision, sex slavery/forced prostitution, breast ironing, and rape
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